tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post893343885666904362..comments2023-08-26T11:45:53.143-03:00Comments on Rachel's Rantings in Rio de Janeiro: I'm Not Middle ClassRachelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13209527132116902328noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-89351879054123067732012-01-20T18:39:13.977-02:002012-01-20T18:39:13.977-02:00This is a bit of a delayed comment, but I just rem...This is a bit of a delayed comment, but I just remember when my Brazilian ex was visiting this summer he bought the most random assortment of things to bring home such as a toaster, electric kettle, food processor and even little magic wands for dishwashing. All things we take for granted here but cost an arm and a leg in Brazil. I definitely appreciate the perks of living in a 1st world country Kristi Fuocohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03636544296006496552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-2011280063609162362012-01-03T15:47:00.546-02:002012-01-03T15:47:00.546-02:00A friend and blog reader felt that I should point ...A friend and blog reader felt that I should point out that I gave birth at a public hospital, as well as getting all my prenatal care done there. That is not a middle nor upper class thing to doRachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13209527132116902328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-9703209890353258522011-12-23T09:21:38.397-02:002011-12-23T09:21:38.397-02:00no problem...:) yes I used to live in 7 but now I ...no problem...:) yes I used to live in 7 but now I live in Cachopa..the last house I rented here, the man sold it..I liked the house becase I had a rooftop and I would bring my friends over to hang out and sit on the roof and see the nice views..I dont know if I want to learn to drive. I have my fears about this..lifeinrocinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12611011816261337973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-79722332197118649522011-12-23T07:59:45.323-02:002011-12-23T07:59:45.323-02:00@ Zezinho,
Sorry, the post actually says you live...@ Zezinho,<br /><br />Sorry, the post actually says you live in Area 7, not Zona 7. This is what was actually written.<br /><br />"Neighborhoods- (Cachopa, Roupa Suja, Capado) we have 25 different neighborhoods and sub neighborhoods here. These names help for us to know where we live. I live in area 7"<br /><br />http://lifeinrocinha.blogspot.com/2010/10/The Gritty Poethttp://www.grittypoet.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-10181221102033135972011-12-23T00:20:19.279-02:002011-12-23T00:20:19.279-02:00Gritty Poet..ok i dont know where you read this bu...Gritty Poet..ok i dont know where you read this but I rent here. I do not own. My father owned but then he died and my mother now owns the house, but I do not live with them. I live in Rocinha becase my roots are here. :)<br /><br />I dont know how to drive and have never driven a car before and at 49 years, i have my fears of this. I do work in tourism but do not work everyday. You said I live lifeinrocinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12611011816261337973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-75666584124566090632011-12-23T00:02:55.999-02:002011-12-23T00:02:55.999-02:00I'm seriously impressed by those links provide...I'm seriously impressed by those links provided by MHGoncalves. Very concrete stuff.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10822419510744243455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-7087982114511015692011-12-22T06:20:30.986-02:002011-12-22T06:20:30.986-02:00@ MHGonçalves: Great links, they really add value ...@ MHGonçalves: Great links, they really add value to the discussion here. Thanks for sharing.<br /><br />@ Zezinho: I don't think anyone should make a decision about moving without really considering the options and consequences, be the move from Favela to Favela, Favela to Bairro, Bairro to Favela or from overseas to Brazil: be it to a Favela as some foreigners choose, or to a Bairro.<br />IThe Gritty Poethttp://www.grittypoet.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-82031171464960299162011-12-21T22:38:40.375-02:002011-12-21T22:38:40.375-02:00Gritty, you ask for evidence that often luck is wh...Gritty, you ask for evidence that often luck is what brings prosperity. <br />I suggest you and everyone interested in this subject read this book. <br />http://www.amazon.com/Black-Swan-Improbable-Robustness-Fragility/dp/081297381X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1324513713&sr=8-4Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-78225961196184979602011-12-21T21:32:35.640-02:002011-12-21T21:32:35.640-02:00Btw, I love how a lot of you feel the desire to de...Btw, I love how a lot of you feel the desire to defend me. It's really sweet and makes me feel special :)<br /><br />I also respect the passion behind all of you, especially the ones disagreeing. You come back and the conversation is just going! <br /><br />On a side note, no low blows or ball shots ;)Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13209527132116902328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-31839978782890625972011-12-21T21:28:29.483-02:002011-12-21T21:28:29.483-02:00Mhg and Zezinho, thanks for joining the convo and ...Mhg and Zezinho, thanks for joining the convo and for your sharing good info/thoughts! <br /><br />As for gritty's utopialand: I like to think he lives in grittopia, the land where funny &quirky youtube videos were created;)Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13209527132116902328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-67984524878394024552011-12-21T21:09:35.559-02:002011-12-21T21:09:35.559-02:00Gritty lives in utopialand :)Gritty lives in utopialand :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-36765377275700866812011-12-21T21:08:53.963-02:002011-12-21T21:08:53.963-02:00I live in a favela and seeing how much rents cost ...I live in a favela and seeing how much rents cost outside and needing a fiador, I dont see how I would ever be able to move out of here. <br /><br />But I enjoy my simple life here and I know everybody and they know me. So why should I move from here? For a better life? How does a person define a better life? <br /><br />To move away from here would be very scary for me becase although I might Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-64710044164708052442011-12-21T19:14:44.099-02:002011-12-21T19:14:44.099-02:00Hi Rachel.
I am a silent reader of your blog, in ...Hi Rachel.<br /><br />I am a silent reader of your blog, in which I follow almost one year and a half.<br />The following two sites with table to know the income of social classes in Brazil.<br />Well enjoy it.<br /><br />http://blog.thiagorodrigo.com.br/index.php/faixas-salariais-x-classe-social-qual-a<br /><br />http://www.hostpobre.com/como-descobrir-sua-classe-social.htmlMHGoncalveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05891545351675111202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-15987281560210224922011-12-21T09:42:49.986-02:002011-12-21T09:42:49.986-02:00Gritty- I really appreciate your youthful enthusia...Gritty- I really appreciate your youthful enthusiasm and belief in the American way. I hope you don't lose the underlying nature of your positive outlook!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10822419510744243455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-73792604622980053942011-12-21T07:30:35.166-02:002011-12-21T07:30:35.166-02:00@ Anom
You wrote:
"Hard work matters AFTER y...@ Anom<br /><br />You wrote:<br />"Hard work matters AFTER you've made it into the middle classes, but most of Brazil is poor and without the infrastructure for social mobility".<br /><br />Are we to conclude then that MAKING IT to the middle class is due to luck and accident of birth AND THEN hard work starts to matter after you've made it into the middle classes? <br />Well The Gritty Poethttp://www.grittypoet.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-58058010710225092742011-12-21T06:57:51.540-02:002011-12-21T06:57:51.540-02:00Jennifer- check this out.
-Affirming the antecede...Jennifer- check this out.<br /><br />-Affirming the antecedent. <br />A valid logical argument that concludes from the premise A → B and the premise A that therefore, B is true. The name comes from the fact that the argument affirms (i.e., asserts as true) the antecedent (A) in the conditional.<br /><br />-Affirming the consequent. <br />A logical fallacy that argues from the premise A → B and The Gritty Poethttp://www.grittypoet.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-1210052701670632122011-12-20T22:43:55.814-02:002011-12-20T22:43:55.814-02:00Gritty- I suppose you'll just have to trust me...Gritty- I suppose you'll just have to trust me on this one. I can't re-create 20 years of education and social service experience in blog comments! :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10822419510744243455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-10970476033590629322011-12-20T20:40:28.405-02:002011-12-20T20:40:28.405-02:00Uh, what, Gritty? I don't understand how it co...Uh, what, Gritty? I don't understand how it couldn't be obvious that most of the time it's birth and luck that play a larger part in creating prosperity. Hard work matters AFTER you've made it into the middle classes, but most of Brazil is poor and without the infrastructure for social mobility. If your family is poor, you won't go to college because that's time and money Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-30994481411940868552011-12-20T19:49:35.325-02:002011-12-20T19:49:35.325-02:00@ Jennifer
I think the question is if the stateme...@ Jennifer<br /><br />I think the question is if the statement you made below is true.<br /><br />"WHat an exciting discussion! I also want to add that 'hard work and good choices' is not what brings prosperity. Often it is accident of birth and luck. Actually, that's usually the case."<br /><br />So far you have presented rather dramatic examples and while they are The Gritty Poethttp://www.grittypoet.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-89536214878681051552011-12-20T17:38:38.625-02:002011-12-20T17:38:38.625-02:00I can see how Danielle felt the comments were hars...I can see how Danielle felt the comments were harsh as I did too. I usually go to Mr. Rant for this as he is the "expert" in internet relations. Anyway, things come off as harsh in written text. It's just how it is. <br /><br />Regardless of the comments, harshness, or lack there of I am pleased with the comments. I am very happy to have stimulated so much discussion and this is an Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13209527132116902328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-19943790184272221702011-12-20T17:26:58.694-02:002011-12-20T17:26:58.694-02:00In mobility, usually one can go down REALLY easy a...In mobility, usually one can go down REALLY easy and then work a life time, not getting any class mobility. <br /><br />Yes, luck, hard work and born into wealth all exist. I received close to a full ride in college with Hard Work and luck. Getting scholarships in the US today is LUCK. <br /><br />There are tons of debate luck vs. fate. Hard work vs. fate. <br /><br />I think Rachel gettingNinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15346687833675750566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-46868301132131104222011-12-20T17:07:15.598-02:002011-12-20T17:07:15.598-02:00Darn it, hit enter before I was ready.
Kay- No, I...Darn it, hit enter before I was ready.<br /><br />Kay- No, I do not find it ridiculous, as those above got there on the backs of oppressed- in both the US and Brazil. Maybe R's blog isn't the place, but these things need to be uncovered and hopefully resolved and let go. To say 'don't we all struggle in the same way' sound like the words of a person with wealth- maybe even Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10822419510744243455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-74155670629568743902011-12-20T16:54:43.816-02:002011-12-20T16:54:43.816-02:00Hey Tiffany- I think their 'accident of birth&...Hey Tiffany- I think their 'accident of birth' was actually an asset. I just can't fathom how having parents that work SO hard, and clearly loved their children and wanted to righ by them, would ever be considered a 'set-back.'<br /><br />My husband is from similar circumstances, BTW, and has told me he has never seen another parent that loved their children as much as his dadAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10822419510744243455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-69484610064329943112011-12-20T14:56:51.061-02:002011-12-20T14:56:51.061-02:00Jennifer, I see your point, and I have to say I ag...Jennifer, I see your point, and I have to say I agree and disagree. It depends on the situation. There are some people who are born at the bottom of the bottom and will only be able to stay there because they don't know about the ways to get out. They could be incredibly hard working, yet if they are never shown opportunities or how to use them, then it is will never happen. Tiffanynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437750058361105497.post-85729011261479865052011-12-20T14:40:28.634-02:002011-12-20T14:40:28.634-02:00Classifications of people...designating their leve...Classifications of people...designating their level in society by their feeble...or highly successful attempts...at survival, assigning a label because of the manner in which they live, giving them a position on the social ladder because of the plot of ground their house sits on...and if they own it or rent it, ranking them by the schools they can or can't afford, assorting a position in the Kayhttp://knowitallnanna.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com